Photos ~ Unidentified
Chandler Township Related
Chandler Township Related
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regarding any of the following unidentified photos... even if it is just an idea or a possibility.
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regarding any of the following unidentified photos... even if it is just an idea or a possibility.
Each photo has a number for identifying when writing about a particular photo.
Also, please feel free to e-mail photos in your possession that you are not able to identify to be posted on this webpage.
Perhaps someone will be able to add information or possible identities.
The design and compilation of the text and photos on this site are copyrighted 2013.
Most posted items will enlarge by "clicking" on them.
"Clicking" on some highlighted words may access additional information.
Please do not copy the photos on this site, many of which have been submitted by private individuals...
just come back and visit the site often to view the photos.
Wendy Butka thinks the same man may possibly be in both the photo above and the photo right. The back of the postcard photo above was addressed to Mr. & Mrs. Wilbur Rice and reads: "Sylvia is at home this week and we have picked and sold 2 bushell [sic] but we went to sanford the 4 and then it rained today and we done a bit of wash and Sylvia goes back to work Saturday so I could not git our berries this week well Eveline hear we are and will try an send you a bushell [sic] of berries next week if I can git them picked but I am all alone will drop you a card the day before I send them
It's signed: from mother" The stamp box dates it at 1907-1918. Charlevoix County Marriage Records show that Wilburt G. Rice married 1 June 1902 to Evelyn Green, so perhaps that was the "Eveline" being addressed on the postcard note above??? |
LATER: Wendy Butka feels that the man in the photo above right is probably NOT a part of the Chandler Hill/Springvale people.
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LATER Wendy Butka added below to her above comments:
"I might have a lead on a couple of the mystery pictures. The old couple in front of the clothesline with the dog on the man's lap, and the other picture of the man that's posted next to them. I think they could be Edwin and Sarah (Ashley) Green. The picture of the man would just be Edwin Green. They would have been Eveline Eastwood's parents.
Eveline may also have been the same Evelyn married to Wilburt Rice, but records are sketchy about that and have mismatched information. If I'm right about Eveline, it's possible that she was married 3 times, but the records aren't consistent as to her father's name or her mother's name and even her death record doesn't match the names consistently.
I know for sure that her mother's name was Sarah M. Ashley, I'm 95% sure her father's name was Edwin R Green. Some of her marriage records list father as Samuel or James. Mother's name isn't listed or listed as Sarah Green. Her death record lists her mother's name as Martha. Further complicating things is that her birth year isn't consistent either, but she may have lied about that because she would have been REALLY young at the time of her 1st marriage (or maybe someone did just record it wrong)."
"I might have a lead on a couple of the mystery pictures. The old couple in front of the clothesline with the dog on the man's lap, and the other picture of the man that's posted next to them. I think they could be Edwin and Sarah (Ashley) Green. The picture of the man would just be Edwin Green. They would have been Eveline Eastwood's parents.
Eveline may also have been the same Evelyn married to Wilburt Rice, but records are sketchy about that and have mismatched information. If I'm right about Eveline, it's possible that she was married 3 times, but the records aren't consistent as to her father's name or her mother's name and even her death record doesn't match the names consistently.
I know for sure that her mother's name was Sarah M. Ashley, I'm 95% sure her father's name was Edwin R Green. Some of her marriage records list father as Samuel or James. Mother's name isn't listed or listed as Sarah Green. Her death record lists her mother's name as Martha. Further complicating things is that her birth year isn't consistent either, but she may have lied about that because she would have been REALLY young at the time of her 1st marriage (or maybe someone did just record it wrong)."
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In 2023 Amy Griffith submitted photos actually labeled a Edwin Richard Green and Sarah Ashley Green in 1923. The 1923 photos certainly confirm the identity of the older couple in photos $1 and #2 above.
Click HERE to see additional information on this same web site for Edwin and Sarah Green,
under the Eastwood/Burgess Family Section.
under the Eastwood/Burgess Family Section.
Photo Below: Some of Wendy Butka's thoughts were that "the house is BEAUTIFUL and the people are all well dressed. The little girl could resemble one of the little blond girls in the older School District No.2 pictures, but she is so small in this picture that it is hard to tell for sure. If this is a Springvale house, these people must have owned a business there. The house is actually built on cement type blocks, and not on rocks. The roof even has rain gutters!"
This photo below had been given to Wendy Butka's grandma, and it had written on the back "Springvale house?".
LATER: This photo was found inside an envelope which had labels written on the envelope, so possibly this house was "Nora & Alan Burgess House"... it does very resemble the basic footprint of the Eastwood house in the photo directly below. Make a comparison.
This photo below had been given to Wendy Butka's grandma, and it had written on the back "Springvale house?".
LATER: This photo was found inside an envelope which had labels written on the envelope, so possibly this house was "Nora & Alan Burgess House"... it does very resemble the basic footprint of the Eastwood house in the photo directly below. Make a comparison.
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Photo Below taken in 1976: This John Eastwood (son of Frank and Rhoda Fetterly Eastwood) home on Magee Road was built in the same location as the Frank and Nellie Mackie Pearson home which burned in 1905. The upper floor of the home was what burned with three of Frank and Nellie Mackie Pearson's four children: Lila ~ 12, Esther ~ 10, and Leslie ~ 9. Marvel born 1902 survived. In comparing the house photos above and below, the upper photo was very likely the home and family of Frank and Nellie Pearson and their three older children probably taken before 1902 when Marvel was born. Notice the similarities of the house basic footprint in the two photos... even the upper diamond window is in the same place. In the photo below, a porch has been added. Another connection exists because Wendy Butka who had possession of this above photo, is a descendant of Frank & Rhoda Fetterly Eastwood who had lived in the Eastwood home in the photo below... thus if the house in the photo above had been in the same location, a good reason exists for that photo to have been in the Eastwood Family's (Wendy Butka's) possession. In the 1901 Charlevoix County Plat Book the Post Office mailing address was listed as Springvale, explaining the back of the photo as having "Springvale house?" written on it.
Postcard Photo Above: The Stamp Box dates the picture as 1904-1918.
Postcard Photo Above Left: The Stamp Box dates the picture as 1910-1924. The woman was holding the horse while the man was ferrying the feet.
Wendy Butka wrote about the Postcard Photo Above Right: "I had asked Aunt Audie [Magee Strong] and Ma [Oralee Magee Grobaski] if they knew who these people were and they didn't know either. Also, by dating the back, it looks like the picture dates from 1905-1910...I really don't have much in the way of guesses. The only thought is that whoever they are, may have been connected with George Fetterly/Rhoda Eastwood because I have two of the exact same picture. My thought was that maybe someone sent a pic to George Fetterly and one to Rhoda Eastwood (even though there is nothing written on the back of either one)."
Wendy Butka wrote about the Postcard Photo Above Right: "I had asked Aunt Audie [Magee Strong] and Ma [Oralee Magee Grobaski] if they knew who these people were and they didn't know either. Also, by dating the back, it looks like the picture dates from 1905-1910...I really don't have much in the way of guesses. The only thought is that whoever they are, may have been connected with George Fetterly/Rhoda Eastwood because I have two of the exact same picture. My thought was that maybe someone sent a pic to George Fetterly and one to Rhoda Eastwood (even though there is nothing written on the back of either one)."
Probably Loggers... Photo Below Left: Notice the man second from left looks as tall as the others, but then notice that he was standing on a crate... perhaps the man second from the right was also standing on a crate. The man who was second from the left in the photo #6 is at the very left in the photo below right. Here it is possible to notice that he was at least a head shorter than the other men. Photos #8 & #9 have logging camp buildings in the background. Does anyone know who any of these people were, or which camp this may have been?
Wendy Butka realized Photo #9 Above must be Camp 32 because a photo on the railroad webpage was already labeled as Camp 32, and in the photo above, the first two men on the right are both standing on the right side of the Camp 32 photo.
Does anyone recognize anyone with a name, or know where Camp 32 was located? |
On the back of this #18 photo above was written with pencil, two names with question marks, and then erased, with "Don't Know" then written. One name that had been erased appears to be "Della". The other name started with "C", but the rest of that name is unclear. (Compare these two gals to the two young girls in the back of the school room in # 21 below.) LATER: Wendy Butka had found a large manila envelope with writing possibly describing the photos which had been inside... Now, Wendy wonders the following about the above photo: "There is also a description that says: Connie and Bell Agree or Ague. I wonder if that is the unknown picture of the two girls sitting on a porch, the one in the chair maybe Connie Gallop and the other girl with darker hair named Bell?" I do not think that is Connie Gallop, but if anyone else has any input on the above photo please contact me.
LATER: The gal on the left has been identified as Luvinna Potts, daughter of Charles Potts and Ella Rice. See more about the Potts Family by clicking HERE. |
(Photo Above) Wendy Butka sees a resemblance to the two girls in the very back to the two gals in the #18 above.
Does anyone know if these might be the same people in both photos # 18 and #21, and their names?
Does anyone know if these might be the same people in both photos # 18 and #21, and their names?